Did your teachers teach you agency?

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This podcast explores Stuart Blythe's article as I grappled with the role or teachers/professors in teaching their students about agency as well as what to do when we realize that writing is not always powerful enough to evoke change as Blythe describes in his concluding paragraph. I will prewarn you that my thoughts are geared toward an examination as an English teacher, as inevitably everything seems to be in some way affected by my education classes at this point in my life.

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Hey Amber! Great Podcast and

Hey Amber!
Great Podcast and I hope you shake your cold pretty soon! I really enjoyed how you used the readings as an opportunity not only to grapple with the work you do in education, but also to open up the conversation with your listener by directly asking questions. Well, I’ll bite. In one of Blythe’s most productive arguments for thinking about agency, she says that, “We gain [agency] not by being an autonomous individual, but by being part of something larger, by being a part of systems that constrain and enable simultaneously” (173). You already cited this passage in your podcast, but it’s worth reiterating here because we are so used to hearing statements about agency that speak from a position of misguided idealism. I find Blythe’s idea oscillation between limitations and opportunities very compelling, then, when we consider the nature of the systems to which we belong. Furthermore, we are particularly well accustomed in our discipline to hearing statements about composition as agency or the democratizing effect it can have in the world. While I do not disagree with this kind of idealism, Blythe’s emphasis on the mundane reorients our perspective in some interesting ways. You mentioned how frustrating it was to work in education, where there is an admittedly limited amount of resources. No matter how many grant proposals you write or pleas for help you send out, you seem to run into the same limitations embedded in your organization. How might Blythe help us to think through a shift from a top down approach with writing to the mundane? In other words, she argues that (re)examining and (re)writing the mundane texts in an organization often make these new texts a nexus of unexpected institutional change.
In response to your question about the distance enhancement project, I would agree that it has been challenging both ideologically and in practice. I think the overlap between the two is part of that very problem of distance (from an institution), which you touch on in your podcast. In Longos’ discussion of the relation between culture and activities, he argues that “If, as technical communicators, we make decisions based only on our understanding of activities and not of the cultural contexts in which these activities are embedded, we run the risk of proposing documents and systems that do not fit well with the organization where we work and our goals for the future […] We also need to understand how people in the organization will react, with all their histories, personal relationships, strengths, and limitations” (160). Longo suggests that in order for technical communication to be effective, a knowledge of the culture as well as the activity is essential. Likewise, Blythe argues, as previously mentioned, that agency is only cultivated when one is a part of an institution. Neither of us are members of one another’s larger institutional communities even though we have built a small bridge with this class. Problems of telescopic philanthropy are exacerbated when confronted with the difficulty of writing the kinds of mundane texts that Blythe argues for.

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Thanks you!

Madeline,
Thanks for your comments. My hope with this podcast was to get feedback on the questions that I was pondering and you provided much, so thank you! Your comments on my own struggle within the educational organization to find the funds for change “How might Blythe help us to think through a shift from a top down approach with writing to the mundane? In other words, she argues that (re)examining and (re)writing the mundane texts in an organization often make these new texts a nexus of unexpected institutional change” as rather interesting. I agree that some change can be made by rewriting these documents; however, again we run into the issue of lack of funds. In North Carolina, we are introducing a new set of teaching standards. While some people have already found fault in these standards, the state is too poor to change them as it would require much revenue to create a community to first change the standards and then produce the actually printed standards to hand out to teachers, school systems, etc. In my own personal experience though, I find the lack of funds a good thing because it means we will have to stick with something for a while (and possibly see some real results) rather than move on to something different after a year (because in education they want results pronto instead of giving the new standards, programs, etc time to work).
The quote you included from Longo was excellent. It really got to the core of my feelings as when I designed the distance enhancement project, my greatest obstacle was trying to understand your universities needs. UNCW is located in a much smaller city, with many non-traditional students, so it was hard for me to “understand how the people in the organization will react” in response to our requests for better traffic signage.
Thanks again for a great response, you brought up a lot for me to consider and I appreciated your honest responses to tmy own questions.

Louise,
I also appreciate your comments, I just do not have enough time in class to fully comment, but thanks again.

Amber

Amber Randall
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Agency from afar. Is that even a possibility?

Nice job on this week's podcast, Amber. Sorry about the cold and the other "technical difficulties" with the thumb drive.

It seems to me that your podcast raised as many questions as it addressed. I, for one, do believe that our role as teachers is to not only to teach students the sense of agency, but also to help them practice it and to strengthen it wherever possible.

While classroom practice has changed a great deal in the last few decades, if our readings concerning the influence on learners that multimedia and digital literacy, as well as gaming, have shown anything, it's that the classroom can no longer be a staging area for content delivery that envisions the teacher as the expert and the students as the vessels into which the expert pours knowledge. The constraints of the new digital economy, and the world of online commerce and information exchange demands that we, as teachers, do exactly what you and Blythe suggest. We need to teach students how to negotiate between what public knowledge or social forces present as truth and their own understanding of a "text's" meaning. Students today must learn to evaluate and parse meaning in an avalanche of conflicting ideas and contexts. We need to seek ways to provide them with a scaffolding to their thinking processes. We need them to be able to read critically, think independently, and write analytically no matter what content we teach. By supporting a student's efforts to do all these things we help them to not only gain agency but strengthen their sense of connection to the material and the digital environment they most often live in.
Concerning the distance enhancement issues you raise, I think the they point to the nature of a life lived online. While you are right the fact that we could not climb in the car and come for a visit made the enactment of the projects difficult, I think that that problem forced us to seek alternative avenues to foster concrete change and into an online problem solving environment. By closing off the physically easiest pathway to understanding each others' institutions we had to turn to other ways to "interact" with each other. It brought home several important concepts to me, not least of which were the meaning of "community" and agency. After making an effort to understand how life is lived on your campus, I began to think about ours in a new way.

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Constructivism and Agency

Amber,

I really appreciate the questions you raise in your podcast. I remember taking education courses during my undergrad and then reflecting on my high school teachers’ methods of teaching and thinking “wow, they really didn’t do any of this.” I think educational theory has come a long way in some respects and I agree that agency in the classroom is essential. I think it is even more essential in the writing classroom because without it, I don’t know that students can really learn to write well.

Your podcast cited the most interesting arguments Blythe made in his article by focusing on the purpose of agency and how agency enables students to become part of something larger—part of the larger community and discourse. I agree with Blythe here that agency is empowering because it helps students “translate public knowledge into personal meaning,” but also because in doing so, when students share this personal meaning they contribute to the greater discourse.

Like you and Blythe, I have had a hard time finding the balance between a focus on content and personal experience. Obviously we need both. I’ve recently read an article by David Perkins entitled “The Many Faces of Constructivism.” In this article Perkins looks at different constructivist approaches to teaching. Constructivist approaches generally involve methods of active learning in which students engage in inquiry and problem solving in order to discover and re-discover knowledge on their own. Perkins argues that such approaches enable students to make their learning more personal. I think that this approach may address your question in part because as we guide students to ask their own questions of texts and then answer them, we can help them engage in agency-based learning that is both active and personal.

I agree with you that there is a line of power in the classroom and as teachers we need to integrate agency in appropriate and meaningful ways. But I see our role in doing so as being a guide to the students. Last week I read Judith Langer and Arthur Applebee’s book How Writing Shapes Thinking. In this book the authors conducted several studies. In one such study a teacher used writing as a way of probing students’ thinking before they began a unit. Initially the students struggled with this form of writing because in reality they knew very little about the topics they were going to study, but as the instructor probed them and responded to their writing, the students’ writing improved over time and they began to learn how to ask deep and probing questions and make interesting predictions based on their prior knowledge and the new knowledge with which they were about to engage. I think that if we can guide our students to ask the right questions, they will be able to use agency to create their own questions and topics and won’t simply be responding to our own questions.

Perkins, David. “The Many Faces of Constructivism.” Educational Leadership 57.3 (1999): 6-11.

Langer, Judith and Arthur Applebee. How Writing Shapes Thinking. Urbana, IL: NCTE, 2007.